Wednesday, September 13, 2017

Bitcoin, Marks

It's been a long time since posting last. I've gotten comments and emails wondering where I've gone. Actually, nothing has changed and it hasn't been a conscious decision to scale back here at all. I've been wanting to post.

Part of it may be that I was a little busy. I have been getting involved in volunteering here and there and sometimes it takes up a little more time than expected, and before you know it, you have no time for other stuff. Not to mention I have so many things I like to do, like coding/programming, reading etc.

The other reason for not posting much, I guess, is that things haven't really changed all that much. Maybe I'm coasting on things that I like that are doing well. I still like most of what I've talked about here and there hasn't been any reason to change anything.

Anyway, what triggered this post is another great memo from Howard Marks. If you are curious about bitcoin, or what to do about the markets (overvalued?), you should read this. Of course, most readers here probably already read it.

Howard Marks memo

This memo is fascinating because it deals with two things that I have been thinking about a lot over the past few years (OK, I haven't really thought about bitcoin all that much, actually, but I have been getting the indicators that it is indeed a bubble; people I know telling me it is going to $100,000 and are probably already calculating their net worth based on that price. At least that's what it feels like).

The Market
I haven't really changed my mind about the market at all. I've written a lot about what I think and nothing has really changed. The market is still expensive, and interest rates are still low. I still think a reasonable 'normalized' interest rate (10 year) is around 4.0%. And in that environment, stocks are still not expensive.

A lot of smart people are saying that it is way too expensive using some long term average, like the past century. Well, my view is that to use that as the norm, one would also have to assume that the average interest rate in the next century will be like the last century, and that's not at all a given. So in that sense, we can't really say what the average P/E ratio is going to be in the next century, let alone the next decade.

One argument is that low interest rates haven't helped Japanese stocks. This is an interesting thought and I may take a close look at that at some point as I did spend some time in Tokyo this summer. It is really an interesting, fascinating place. But it can also be incredibly frustrating too.

What To Do
Howard Marks writes about the options investors have at this point in an overvalued, late cycle market. He has a problem with people saying to do nothing and invest as usual. He makes a great argument but I sort of wonder about that.

Maybe it's different in fixed income versus equities; in fixed income there isn't much upside but a lot of downside. In the stock market, there is huge upside to offset huge downside.

Marks says that we do have to do something here, whether it be to lighten up, reduce return expectations, or some of the other things he lists (I agree we have to accept lower prospective returns; there is no arguing against that).

 First of all, one problem with this discussion has to do with who you are. If you are an equity fund manager, hedge fund, pension manager, asset allocator, individual investor (IRA, 401K, young person, old person) etc.

My guess is that for most people, do nothing should be fine. As Buffett said a while back, the stock market returned 10%/year in the last century, but most people who owned stocks didn't come close to that. Why? Because they kept getting in and out of the market trying to outsmart it.

When you think about that, it makes you wonder whether getting out or lighten up when you think the market is expensive is a wise decision. As I've said often before, when you look at the returns of the folks who do try to allocate capital according to forecasts, they haven't done all that well.

You can call this discipline, to get in and out according to the risk in the market. But go back to the fifties when dividend yields dipped below interest rates, which was unheard of. It's easy to imagine someone getting out of the market promising to keep discipline and go back in only when dividends yields are higher than interest rates (they would have finally gotten back in in the past few years!).

If you are young and are 100% in stocks in your IRA, that's fine. Even if you are not so young, it should be fine too as long as you understand the markets can be volatile and prospective returns are probably not going to be as high as in the past.

Keep in mind, the difference between stocks and bonds. If you are 100% invested in a great stock, say, Berkshire Hathaway, and you are worried about the market and want some spare cash just in case the market takes a dip. Well, if you are 100% invested in BRK, you are part owner of a heck of a lot of cash (on the balance sheet) and cash flow. If the market tanks, BRK will benefit. BRK will be buying. Would you not be better off letting the folks at BRK take advantage of the dip than you? Well, if the markets really tank, it's true that you might be able to get better deals (as you are probably more nimble).

But even if you stay 100% invested in BRK, they will take advantage of the dip and you will benefit.

Think about if you own a bond. If you own a BRK bond, you may not benefit on a dip in the market. BRK's bond value probably will not increase after a dip and recovery whereas the stock may very well come out bigger and stronger (maybe BRK's credit improves afterward, but probably not so much).

If you owned a high-yield bond and there is a dip, this mechanism wouldn't really work either, I don't think. A dip might hurt high-yield bonds more so you get killed, and the issuer may not come out the other side stronger as it's credit is not that strong to start with so may not be able to take advantage of a market dip to grow.

Old Greenblatt Memo
After the financial crisis, Joel Greenblatt posted a great comment on the Gotham website. He said that the mistake was not that people didn't see the crisis and didn't get out of the market in 2007. The mistake was that people owned too much stocks so that when it went down 50%, they panicked and sold out at the bottom.

He said that you should own an amount of stocks where a 50% drop won't be too upsetting to you. If you have a $100,000 stock portfolio, and a $50,000 mark-to-market loss would upset you, then you shouldn't have $100,000 in stocks. Many people invest too much assuming the bell will ring at the top so they will be able to get out.

I think the same applies today. It is not a mistake to be heavily invested (as long as you understand that markets will fluctuate, and will not return 10%/year going forward), as long as a 50% drop (and noone can predict when this will happen) won't be too upsetting to you.

If you are worried, lighten up, but lighten up because you think you might have too much exposure to stocks, not because you think you will be able to get back in at a better price later on because that probably won't happen.

Bitcoin
The most interesting part of Howard Marks' memo is about bitcoin. He was apparently bombarded by emails after his previous memo when he said that the bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme.

Of the folks supporting bitcoin is the dynamic duo from FRMO, Murray Stahl and Steven Bregman. Marks spoke at length about bitcoin with them.

Here is the FRMO letter to shareholders where they talk about crytocurrencies:

FRMO letter

If you are on the fence about bitcoin, go read this FRMO letter, and then read the Howard Marks letter. You will get a really good overview and arguments of both sides.

I have to say as much as I love technology, I don't get this one. Jamie Dimon said the other day that this was a fraud. That may be a strong word for it. I don't know if there is really any intent to defraud; these people probably actually believe it can be a real currency alternative, in which case it's not really fraud. But maybe it is fraud. Who knows.

What I don't get is that they say that central banks can print as much money as they want, but we know the supply of bitcoin going out into the future; there can't be more than that produced.

But who said that the bitcoin is going to be the only alternative cryptocurrency? The U.S. dollar has value because it is backed by the U.S. government (but nothing else), and nobody can just buy a printer and just start printing them. You can't just print your own, private dollars either. Well, I guess you can (via gift certificates, frequent flier miles, bonus points etc.).

The whole point of something valuable is it's universal acceptance. Gold, too, has a limited supply, but it has been accepted as a store of value for centuries. I have no idea where gold prices will go, but it will probably stay 'valuable' for many years to come.

But bitcoin? People lose bitcoins because they lose their USB drive that held the code, some exchange gets hacked and people lose bitcoins. If someone hacked a U.S. bank and took people's money, the FDIC would back it up. What kind of insurance or guarantee comes with bitcoin? What if one day it just doesn't work or you can't get access to it. Who do you call? What if there is a flaw in the system? Are bitcoin fans well-versed enough in the technology to figure out what went wrong?

If I woke up and my bank's website wasn't there, I can walk to a branch. If the branch isn't there, I can go to another branch, or the headquarters office. If it's not there, I can call the State bank regulator or other regulator to ask what happened and try to retrieve my money.

What's the equivalent in the bitcoin world? Who really runs it? Yes, they say nobody (or everybody). But that too is kind of scary.

China just said they are going to shut down bitcoin exchanges, and Japan announced the other day that gains and losses from bitcoin trading/investing will count as other income (I think that's what it was) and will be taxable. They said that this includes purchases with bitcoin. If you buy something with bitcoin, then you have to pay taxes on the gain.

Now, think about that for a second. How complicated is that going to be? Every time you use your bitcoin to buy something, you are going to realize a taxable gain?! What kind of payment mechanism or currency is that? That's just crazy.

OK, bitcoin supporters would argue that this will not happen because bitcoin is not trackable. There will be no 1099 or anything like that associated with it so the IRS (or the Japanese equivalent) will never know. I don't know about that. It would be surprising if they did nothing and let it stay this way; then nobody would ever pay taxes in a few years!

It's kind of incredible that so many people have jumped on the bitcoin bandwagon before the governments around the world have figured out what to do with it. Just letting it alone is a low probability scenario, I think. More likely is something like what Japan did; make it a taxable item, whatever it is. I'm kind of surprised that people aren't looking at this also as a gambling vehicle. I don't know much about gambling laws, but bitcoin as it works now sure looks like a vehicle for gambling to me.

In any case, I haven't changed my views about bitcoin. It's an odd curiousity. Kind of interesting. But without knowing how the laws will handle it, there is no way to determine if it has any real value. At least that's what I think even though there are many people smarter than me that believe in it.

If I miss this party, well, it won't be the first. If I don't understand it, I'll just stay away.

Anyway, we'll see what happens!


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    E' DAVVERO DA ARRESTARE SUBITO (PRIMA CHE FACCIA AMMAZZARE ANCORA), IL TERRORISTA NAZISTA ED ASSASSINO, PAOLO BARRAI, NATO A MILANO IL 28.6.1965. NONCHE' MEGA RICICLA SOLDI MAFIOSI E POLITI-C-RIMINALI, OSSIA FRUTTO DI MEGA RUBERIE E MEGA MAZZETTE, RICEVUTE DA LEGA LADRONA E STRAGISTA SPAPPOLA MAGISTRATI, NONCHE', TANTO QUANTO, NAZIFASCISTA DITTATORE E PEDOFILO SILVIO BERLUSCONI! DICEVO, E' DAVVERO DA ARRESTARE UNA QUARTA VOLTA, E SUBITO, IL TERRORISTA NAZISTA ED ASSASSINO, PAOLO BARRAI ( ASSICURANDOSI CHE QUESTA VOLTA RIMANGA IN CARCERE PER SEMPRE O PER LO MENO PER DECENNI E DECENNI). NON PER NIENTE, GIA' STATO IN GALERA 3 VOLTE. OPINIONI TUTTE TERRIFICANTI SU DI LUI! MEGA TRUFFATORE E MEGA RICICLA CASH LERCIO CHE PIU' LERCIO NON SI POTREBBE, VIA CRIMINALISSIMA BLOCKCHAIN INVEST, OLTRE CHE VIA CRIMINALISSIMA WORLD MAN OPPORTUNITIES LUGANO, CRIMINALISSIMA WMO SA PANAMA E CRIMINALISSIMA BSI ITALIA SRL DI VIA SOCRATE 26 MILANO! NOTO PEDOFIL-O-MOSESSUALE SODOMIZZA BAMBINI PAOLO BARRAI! CACCIATO DA CITIBANK A SBERLE, PER MEGA FRODI CHE LI FACEVA ( IL FUNZIONARIO SUPER DELINQUENTE DI CITIBANK MILANO DELLA FINE DI QUESTO ARTICOLO E' LUI http://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubblica/archivio/repubblica/2001/02/19/maxi-evasione-da-400-miliardi-terenzio-sotto-torchio.html )! SBAGLIA SEMPRE IN BORSA! AZZERA I RISPARMI DI CENTINAIA DI PERSONE! FALSO&LADRO&TRUFFATORE! DIFFAMA SUL WEB A FINI NAZIRAZZISTI! FONDATORE DEI NUOVI MEG-A-SSASSINI MOVIMENTI TERRORISTI DI ESTREMA DESTRA: "NEO NAR"! FONDATORE DEL, PROSSIMAMENTE, DI FREQUENTE, OMICIDA: KU KLUK KLAN PADANO! CONDANNATO AL CARCERE A MILANO ED IN BRASILE ( 8 ANNI E PURE PER PEDERASTIA OMOSESSUALE, RIPETO, PURE PER PEDERASTIA OMOSESSUALE)!

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  22. TI TRUFFANO E AZZERANO I RISPARMI DI UNA VITA: FEDERICO IZZI (NOTO COME "IL PEDOFILO DEL BITCOIN", E NOTISSIMO PURE COME "ER ZIO ROMOLO DELLA CAMORRA" IN QUANTO CAMPA DI RICICLAGGIO DI SOLDI DI MEG-A-SSASSINI NAPOLETANI, CASERTANI E DEL BASSO LAZIO http://www.poliziaedemocrazia.it/live/index.php?domain=rubriche&action=articolo&idArticolo=2602) ED IL GIA' FINITO 3 VOLTE IN GALERA, ALTRETTANTO FAMOSISSIMO PEDERASTA ED IMMENSO CRIMINALE: PAOLO BARRAI ( SU CUI TROVATE NON POCO, QUI https://es-la.facebook.com/public/Truffati-Da-Paolo-Barrai )! SONO I 2 PEGGORI TRADERS DEGLI ULTIMI 3 SECOLI ( OSSIA DA QUANDO INIZIARONO AD ESISTERE, MORE OR LESS, I STOCK EXCHANGES)! OGNI VOLTA CHE "RAGLIANO" CHE BITCOINS ED AZIONI VOGLION SALIRE: TUTTO CROLLA! OGNI VOLTA CHE PREVEDONO DISASTRI: BITCOINS ED AZIONI SALGONO A RAZZO!
    1
    MAI VISTO DEI TRUFFATORI EFFERATI ED IDIOTI, INCAPACISSIMI TOTALI, CHE TI AZZERANO SEMPRE TUTTI I RISPARMI, COME IL GIA’ TRE VOLTE IN GALERA, PAOLO BARRAI
    https://es-es.facebook.com/public/Truffati-Da-Paolo-Barrai
    (BLOG MERCATO LIBERO, NOTO IN TUTTO IL MONDO COME "MERDATO" LIBERO) ED IL SEMPRE SBAGLIANTE IN BORSA, LADRO, TRUFFATORE, ACCERTATO SATANISTA PEDERASTA INCULA BAMBINI E MEGA RICICLA SOLDI MAFIOSI, FEDERICO IZZI NOTO IN TUTTO IL MONDO, BEN APPUNTO, COME " IL PEDOFILO DEL BITCOIN"
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.soft-sys.matlab/FKY_roBbVQ4 ( COME ACCENNAVO, FA PARTE DI TANTE SETTE SATANISTE DI OSTIA, INSIEME AI MAFIOSI, PERICOLOSISSIMI CASAMONICA E SPADA, COME ANCHE FA PARTE DI TANTE ALTRE SETTA SATANISTA DI ROMA, LATINA E CASERTA, IN QUESTO ULTIMO CASO, INSIEME AI MEGA ASSASSINI CASALESI... LOGGE OVE SI VIOLENTANO I BAMBINI E POI SI AMMAZZANO, PER PRELEVAR LORO GLI ORGANI, DA POI VENDERE, FACENDO SPARIRE IL RESTO DEI LORO STRAZIATI CORPICINI IN BOSCHI DI GRAN PARTE DI LAZIO E CAMPANIA O CON SOLITO ACIDO SCIOGLI ARGENTO
    http://www.romatoday.it/cronaca/bambini-scomparsi-roma-indagini.html
    http://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2018/05/25/news/l_esercito_dei_bimbi_scomparsi_in_italia_sparisce_un_minore_ogni_due_giorni-197308964/ )
    E NOTISSIMO PURE COME ER ZIO ROMOLO DELLA CAMORRA' ( VIVE DI RICICLAGGIO DI SOLDI CHE COLANO FIUMI DI SANGUE DI MORTI AMMAZZATI, COME DETTO, SPECIE IN ZONE DI BASSO LAZIO http://www.poliziaedemocrazia.it/live/index.php?domain=rubriche&action=articolo&idArticolo=2602 ). EFFETTUATI INSIEME AL NOTO VERME CRIMINALE ANDREA SCARSI DI BANCA IFIGEST, CHE E' DI LATINA, E CHE E' NOTO UN PO' IN TUTTO IL MONDO, COME "IL BANCHIERE DEGLI ASSASSINI DI SILVIO"
    https://www.ilmessaggero.it/latina/latina_associazione_a_delinquere_di_stampo_mafioso_25_arresti_della_polizia-3792381.html
    CRIMINALE DAVVERO BASTARDO ANDREA SCARSI DI IFIGEST MILANO, CHE ORGANIZZA MEGA RICICLAGGI DI SOLDI ASSASSINI DA ANNI ED ANNI DI CAMORRA, E COME DETTO, DI OGNI ALTRA GANG MALAVITOSA DELLA SUA ZONA DI LATRINA, OPS SORRY, INTENDEVO LATINA
    https://it.linkedin.com/in/andrea-scarsi-67a04a9
    E CHE E' FIGLIO DEL NOTO GINECOLOGO PEDOFILO ALESSANDRO SCARSI, NON PER NIENTE, STATO PESANTEMETE IN GALERA, PER CRIMINI DI OGNI ( PEDOPORNOGRAFIA, SFRUTTAMENTO DELLA PROSTITUZIONE, GIA' CITATO TRAFFICO DI ORGANI http://www.telefree.it/news.php?op=view&id=2285 ECT ECT)
    LEGGETE ORA, PLEASE, LA SCIOCCANTISSIMA TESTIMONIANZA DI UN CLIENTE CHE COI DUE LADRONI E MEGA TRUFFATORI TRADERS FEDERICO IZZI E PAOLO BARRAI, NEGLI ULTIMI MESI, SUL BITCOINS, HA PERSO TUTTI, TUTTI E STRA TUTTI I SUOI RISPARM!!

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    “CIAO A TUTTI. E SONO ANCHE IO APPENA STATO TRUFFATO A MORTE DALLE CAROGNE CRIMINALISSIME PAOLO BARRAI E FEDERICO IZZI
    MI FECERO COMPRARE IL BITCOIN IL 18.12.2017, A MOLTO PIU' DI 18.000 DOLLARI, DICENDO CHE LO STESSO SAREBBE RISALITO A RAZZO ED ANDATO A 50.000 DOLLARI MOLTO RAPIDAMENTE. COME QUESTO POST DI INIZIO 2018, DEL CANE CRIMINALE E BRUCIA RISPARMI DI UNA VITA, PAOLO BARRAI, FA D'ALTRONDE, PURE, STRA CAPIRE IN PIENO
    http://ilpunto-borsainvestimenti.blogspot.com/2018/01/2-gennaio-2018-si-inizia-da-sofia.html
    NONOSTANTE STESSI GIA' PEDENDO TANTISSIMI SOLDI SUL BITCOIN, MI FECERO COMPRARE ANCHE LA MERDA MEGA RICICLA SOLDI MAFIOSI EIDOO. A 6,37 DOLLARI. IN QUESTO CASO, AD INIZIO 2018. DICENDO CHE STA STESSA MALAVITOSA MONNEZZA DI EIDOO ( CHE SERVE SOLO A LAVARE SOLDI DI NDRANGHETA, VIA NDRANGHETISTA NATALE FERRARA, O NATALE M FERRARA CHE SIA, NATO A REGGIO CALABRIA, FACENTE RICICLAGGI DI SOLDI DELINQUENTISSIMI E CRIMINI DIGITALI DI OGNI, BEN APPUNTO, IN SVIZZERA https://medium.com/@nataleferrara
    COME NEL CASO DI DELINQUENTISSIMA ICO EIDOO) SAREBBE ANDATA DI STRA CERTO A 8 DOLLARI DUE MESI DOPO, COME QUESTO POST CHE POTETE LEGGERE, DICE CHIARISSIMAMENTE
    http://ilpunto-borsainvestimenti.blogspot.com/2018/01/2-gennaio-2018-si-inizia-da-sofia.html). EIDOO ORA VALE QUASI ZERO, IL BITCOIN HA PERSO IL 70% DEL SUO VALORE DA QUANDO ME LO HAN FATTO COMPRARE. DA ALLORA E' PRECIPITATO DA 18.650.000 A 6.000 DOLLARI. ED IO HO BRUCIATO TUTTI I RISPARMI DELLA MIA VITA. DETTO QUESTO, AD UN MIO CARISSIMO AMICO, IL CANE CRIMINALISSIMO E BRUCIA RISPARMI DI UNA VITA, FEDERICO IZZI, FECE COMPRARE BITCOIN A 2980 DOLLARI. ATTORNO AL 12.6.2017. ASSICURANDOGLI CHE SAREBBE ANDATO A 10.000 DOLLARI, DI CERTISSIMO, IN POCHI GIORNI. GLI FACEVANO LEGGERE SEMPRE QUESTO LORO POST SUPER IDIOTA, INCOMPETENTE E MEGA TRUFFALDINO, DAL TITOLO
    " THEY LOVE BITCOIN - 10.000 USD PER BITCOIN "
    http://ilpunto-borsainvestimenti.blogspot.nl/2016/12/they-love-bitcoin-10000-usd-per-bitcoin.html
    PER VIA DEI MARGINI, IL BROKER GLI HA VENDUTO TUTTO A 2.380 IL 10.7.2017. MENO CHE UN MESE DOPO. ED IL MIO AMICO HA PERSO 35.000 EURO, GRAN PARTE DI TUTTI I SUOI RISPARMI. ERA IN LEVA. COLPA LORO, TUTTO E' STATO EFFETTUATO SU SPINTA DI STI CRIMINALI BASTARDI, TRUFFATORI CHE TI FREGANO E BRUCIANO TUTTI I RISPARMI: FEDERICO IZZI E PAOLO BARRAI ( O CRIMINALI BASTARDI, TRUFFATORI CHE TI FREGANO E BRUCIANO TUTTI I RISPARMI: FEDERICO IZZI E PAOLO PIETRO BARRAI). UNA VOLTA CHE HO PERSO TUTTO, ED ERO SCONVOLTO, STI DUE VERMI DI CAMORRA, MAFIA E NDRANGHETA, MI HAN PURE DETTO AL TELEFONO "CAZZI TUOI, FIGLIO DI PUTTANA, VAI A FANCULO, E NON CI CHIAMARE MAI PIU', TANTO, SU INTERNET, DI COGLIONI CRETINI E DEFICENTI COME TE, NE TROVIAMO SEMPRE"! LI HO QUERELATI. SPERIAMO CHE I NAZISTI DI COSA NOSTRA, MATTEO SALVINI, ENNIO DORIS E SILVIO BERLUSCONI ( I QUALI PROTEGGONO QUESTI DUE, PURE NOTI PEDERASTA E SATANISTI ASSASSINI, DI PAOLO BARRAI E FEDERICO IZZI), NON FACCIANO SOTTERRARE IL TUTTO, IN TRIBUNALE, A MILANO ( VISTO CHE IL PAESE, PER LORO… BEN APPUNTO.. “COSA NOSTRA”)! MAI AVERE A CHE FARE CON STE DUE CAROGNE MEGA COCAINOMANI, ARROGANTI, LADRONE, TRUFFATRICI E BRUCIANTI TUTTI I TUOI RISPARMI, CHE SONO PAOLO BARRAI E FEDERICO IZZI. RAPPRESENTANO DAVVERO I RENATO VALLANZASCA DELLA FINANZA"!

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    VISTO CHE TESTIMONIANZA SHOCK E SUPER STRA VERA ( I CANI BASTARDI PAOLO BARRAI E FEDERICO IZZI SONO STATI QUERELATI GIA’ DA ALMENO 150 PERSONE DI MEZZA EUROPA.. E NON SOLO DA ALMENO 120 PERSONE CHE VIVONO FRA BOLZANO E CANICATTI')?!?
    PER NON AGIUNGERE, POI, DI COME L’AZZERA RISPARMI DI TUTTI E SEMPRE, FEDERICO IZZI ( NOTO COME, COME DETTO, COME " ER ZIO ROMOLO DELLA CAMORRA DER BASSO LAZIO”, MA ANCHE, COME "FEDERICO IZZI, IL PEDOFILO DEL BITCOIN") IL 5.9.14 DICEVA DI VENDERE AZIONI E SIAMO “SUPER STRA OVVIAMENTE”, SCHIZZATI IN SU! SUA MILIARDESIMA CANNATA!
    DA SCHIATTARE DAL RIDERE: GUARDATE COSA RAGLIAVA IL 5.9.14
    http://ilpunto-borsainvestimenti.blogspot.fr/2014/09/zio-romolo-i-mercati-hanno-esagerato-ma.html

    ESATTAMENTE DA QUELLA DATA, IL DOW JONES E' SCHIZZATO IN SU COME UN RAZZO
    http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/INDU:IND
    GIUSTO... COSI'... PER MENZIONARNE UN ALTRA, UNA SU UN MILIARDO, LA PRIMA CHE MI VIENE IN MENTE... FACEVA VENDERE AZIONI AD INIZIO 1.2012 E TUTTO E' SALITO PER 3 MESI
    http://mercatoliberotraderpergioco.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/ci-attende-un-gennaio-di-ribassi.html
    FACEVA POI COMPRARE, OVVIAMENTE, AI MASSIMI DEL 2012, E SIAM STRA CROLLATI!!!
    ED A PROPOSITO, ORA, DEL NOTO KU KLUK KLANISTA, MAFIOSO, MEGA RICICLA CASH MAFIOSO, LADRO, TRUFFATORE, PEDERASTA, CORROTTISSIMO, SEMPRE FALSO, ESTORTORE DI SOLDI, MEGA STALKER SU INTERNET, GIA' 3 VOLTE IN CARCERE, CACCIATO A SBERLE DA CITIBANK, INDAGATO DA 7 PROCURE ITALIANE E DALLA PROCURA DI LUGANO, MEGA MULTATO DALLA CONSOB, ORGANIZZANTE L'OMIDICIO DI DAVID ROSSI DI MONTE PASCHI, BASTARDO ASSASSINO E NOTO PEDOFILO PAOLO PIETRO BARRAI NATO A MILANO IL 28.6.1965

    E' DAVVERO DA ARRESTARE SUBITO (PRIMA CHE FACCIA AMMAZZARE ANCORA), IL TERRORISTA NAZISTA ED ASSASSINO, PAOLO BARRAI, NATO A MILANO IL 28.6.1965. NONCHE' MEGA RICICLA SOLDI MAFIOSI E POLITI-C-RIMINALI, OSSIA FRUTTO DI MEGA RUBERIE E MEGA MAZZETTE, RICEVUTE DA LEGA LADRONA E STRAGISTA SPAPPOLA MAGISTRATI, NONCHE', TANTO QUANTO, NAZIFASCISTA DITTATORE E PEDOFILO SILVIO BERLUSCONI! DICEVO, E' DAVVERO DA ARRESTARE UNA QUARTA VOLTA, E SUBITO, IL TERRORISTA NAZISTA ED ASSASSINO, PAOLO BARRAI ( ASSICURANDOSI CHE QUESTA VOLTA RIMANGA IN CARCERE PER SEMPRE O PER LO MENO PER DECENNI E DECENNI). NON PER NIENTE, GIA' STATO IN GALERA 3 VOLTE. OPINIONI TUTTE TERRIFICANTI SU DI LUI! MEGA TRUFFATORE E MEGA RICICLA CASH LERCIO CHE PIU' LERCIO NON SI POTREBBE, VIA CRIMINALISSIMA BLOCKCHAIN INVEST, OLTRE CHE VIA CRIMINALISSIMA WORLD MAN OPPORTUNITIES LUGANO, CRIMINALISSIMA WMO SA PANAMA E CRIMINALISSIMA BSI ITALIA SRL DI VIA SOCRATE 26 MILANO! NOTO PEDOFIL-O-MOSESSUALE SODOMIZZA BAMBINI PAOLO BARRAI! CACCIATO DA CITIBANK A SBERLE, PER MEGA FRODI CHE LI FACEVA ( IL FUNZIONARIO SUPER DELINQUENTE DI CITIBANK MILANO DELLA FINE DI QUESTO ARTICOLO E' LUI http://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubblica/archivio/repubblica/2001/02/19/maxi-evasione-da-400-miliardi-terenzio-sotto-torchio.html )! SBAGLIA SEMPRE IN BORSA! AZZERA I RISPARMI DI CENTINAIA DI PERSONE! FALSO&LADRO&TRUFFATORE! DIFFAMA SUL WEB A FINI NAZIRAZZISTI! FONDATORE DEI NUOVI MEG-A-SSASSINI MOVIMENTI TERRORISTI DI ESTREMA DESTRA: "NEO NAR"! FONDATORE DEL, PROSSIMAMENTE, DI FREQUENTE, OMICIDA: KU KLUK KLAN PADANO! CONDANNATO AL CARCERE A MILANO ED IN BRASILE ( 8 ANNI E PURE PER PEDERASTIA OMOSESSUALE, RIPETO, PURE PER PEDERASTIA OMOSESSUALE)!

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    MULTATO DA CONSOB BEN 70.000 €! DESTABILIZZA L'ITALIA PER FILO NAZISTI SERVIZI SEGRETI SVIZZERI ( ITALIA, DICEVAMO, DA 30 ANNI, GIUSTAMENTE, NAZIONE SCHIFATA IN TUTTO IL MONDO, IN QUANTO FASCIOMAFIOSA DITTATURA DI BERLUSCONIA.. NON PER NIENTE, TUTTE I MIGLIORI CERVELLI PRIVATI E TUTTE LE PIU' GRANDI INDUSTRIE, IN ITALIA DA SECOLI, DALLA TIRANNI-A-SSASSINA DI BERLUSCONIA SON SCAPPATE, VEDI FIAT, PIRELLI, LUXOTTICA, MERLONI E MIGLIAIA E DI ALTRE... E CHE SIA CHIARO, PLS, CHE IDDIO BENEDICA I GRANDI PM ED EX PM CHE NON SOPPORTANTO IL CANCRO DEL MONDO INTERO SILVIO BERLUSCONI, COME HENRY WOODCOCK, ILDA BOCASSINI, ANTONIO INGROIA E CHIUNQUE ALTRO DI QUESTA AMMIREVOLISSIMA CATEGORIA)! FA CRIMINI SU CRIMINI E NAZI-ST-ALKING, SU INTERNET, SU ORDINE DEI BASTARDI CRIMINALI SILVIO BERLUSCONI, PAOLO BERLUSCONI ED UBALDO LIVOLSI DI FININVEST ( PER NON DIRE SU ORDINE DEL FIGLIO, PADRE E MARITO DI PUTTANE ENNO DORIS DI MEDIOLANUM). IL BASTARDO, PURE ASSASSINO, PAOLO BARRAI, E' ANCHE, DA SEMPRE, INNEGGIANTE ALLO SPAPPOLAMENTO DI MAGISTRATI SCOMODI "COME BERLUSCONI GRANDEMENTE FECE CON FALCONE E BORSELLINO"! PAROLE SUE, DETTE SPESSISSIMO! FU LUI AD ORGANIZZARE L'OMICIDIO DI DAVID ROSSI DI MONTE PASCHI!

    Abbiamo fiumi e fiumi di altro da scrivere sul gia' 3 volte finito in galera, accertato pedofilo omosessuale, ladro, truffatore, sempre falso, nazi-st-alker, mandante di omicidi ( spesso, ma non sempre, mascherati da finti incidenti, malori o "suicidate"... come quando fece ammazzare David Rossi di Monte Paschi), mega ricicla soldi mafiosi e/o politico-criminali (piu' tanto di orrido altro), arrestato gia' 3 volte, Paolo Barrai, nato a Milano il 28.6.1965 e gia' residente a Milano in Via Ippodromo 105! Come presto meglio sottolineeremo, multato pure dalla Consob ben 70.000 euro!
    http://www.bluerating.com/banche-e-reti/33345/qmultaq-da-70mila-euro-per-un-ex-promotore-che-ha-violato-gli-obblighi-informativi
    http://www.advisoronline.it/albo/consob/22190-consob-sanziona-a-raffica.action
    https://complaintwire.org/complaint/6K334yHuHw8/mercato-libero-paolo-barrai
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.tv.homicide/KlPMYZEmGIY
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qc.politique/XjdEpV1zGxY
    Mega ricicla soldi mafiosi con porci criminalissimi Berlusconicchi, gia' finiti in galera, Gerardo Segat ed Andrea Baroni di Tax and Finance Lugano
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIB3862WcAA8F7c.png

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    Finito in carcere in Brasile per riciclaggio di soldi mafiosi, pedofilia omosessuale, propaganda nazista e razzista, truffa, minacce di morte, diffamazioni e stalking via internet.
    http://www.rotadosertao.com/images/fotos/fotos_noticias/testao.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIB3862WcAA8F7c.png
    https://complaintwire.org/complaint/6K334yHuHw8/mercato-libero-paolo-barrai
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aqbT4KlYsmw/TcLbvUUpkeI/AAAAAAAAAe4/TiDPLR0LH_U/s1600/barrai+ind-pag01.jpg
    http://www.caffe.ch/stories/Economia/37256_spregiudicati_affaristi_di_frontiera/
    https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/blogger/GTmd4a1TkxM
    Facente film porno in passato con cavalli e bambini. Tenetevi forte, si, e' proprio cosi', avete capito benissimo. Il pedofilo Paolo Barrai, ad inizio anni 2000, appena cacciato da Citibank e fatto condannare da Citibank, immerso nel suo mega sniffare cocaina, passo' anni in Germania, Ungheria e Romania a fare film porno stuprando bambini ed effettuando mega pompe a cavalli, bevendone litri e litri di sperma equino
    http://webmail.dev411.com/p/gg/google-appengine/155cgjbg0b/c-c-c-ciuccia-cazzi-di-cavallo-paolo-barrai-di-wmo-e-bsi-italia-srl-una-volta-cacciato-e-fatto-condannare-a-galera-da-citibank-prima-di-spennare-polli-via-web-fece-film-pedopornomosessuali-e-con-cavalli-ciucciando-e-prendendo-cazzi-equini-e
    http://ats-lang-users.googlegroups.narkive.com/JF6LKlSp/ccc-ciuccia-cazzi-di-cavallo-paolo-barrai-mercato-libero-merdato-libero-appena-cacciato-e-fatto

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