It is fun to read about Wells Fargo and how together they are, and it's nice to see that they have maintained their "greatness". Unfortunately, Circuit City and Fannie Mae no longer exist, but most of the others have been doing well since then. Collins did say that if these 'great' companies change, or don't continue their great ways, they will quickly fall back to mediocrity or worse.
By the way, here are the great companies in the book:
AbbottOutsiders
Circuit City
Fannie Mae
Gillette
Kimberly-Clark
Kroger
Nucor
Philip Morris
Pitney Bowes
Walgreens
Wells Fargo
An interesting point is the contrast between this book and the Outsiders book. Jim Collins even points out Teledyne and Henry Singleton as an example of a "genius with a thousand helpers"; a company that did well under a genius and then stumbled when the genius departed.
As an investor, either one is fine with me. I don't mind investing with "geniuses" (that's what we do when we invest in Berkshire Hathaway and other companies not to mention some funds/hedge funds). And I would love to invest in great companies too even if they are not dependent on a single genius.
Anyway, both are great books so there is no need to compare. Each book looks at businesses from a different angle (one looks at great companies (and how they became so) and the other looks at great CEOs).
Stockdale Paradox
But the thing that really got me (again) is what Collins calls the Stockdale Paradox. It is a well-known concept now; it is mentioned in survival books (like Mt. Everest survival stories) etc.
And the idea is really similar to what I wrote about in my recent post, Catmull's Mental Models.
For those who don't know, Admiral James Stockdale was a POW during the Vietnam war; the highest ranked 'guest' in the Hanoi Hilton. He was there for eight years and was tortured more than twenty times.
Many POWs didn't make it but Stockdale and some others did.
Collins asked Stockdale, "Who didn't make it out?"
"Oh, that's easy," he said. "The Optimists."Collins was confused as he thought Stockdale was an optimist as he had no doubt he would get out of his situation.
Stockdale clarified:
"The optimists. Oh, they were the ones who said, 'We're going to be out by Christmas.' And Christmas would come, and Christmas would go. Then they'd say, 'We're going to be out by Easter.' And Easter would come, and Easter would go. And then Thanksgiving, and then it would be Christmas again. And they died of a broken heart."
"This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end - which you can never afford to lose - with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be."Collins defines the Stockdale Paradox as:
Retain faith that you will prevail in the end, reglardless of the difficulties.AND at the same time
Confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.
Stockdale Paradox and Value Investing
And of course, I have to tie all of this to value investing. This concept is very similar to the stuff that the Pixar people shared with Catmull in his book. They all had mental models to help them get through the inevitable tough times in making movies. And those models were really good models that would apply to value investing as value investing is not at all easy and have some rough periods. Bear markets are inevitable, and even the best stocks will go down 50% every now and then (as we know, even Berkshire Hathaway stock does that too!).
And the Stockdale Paradox is a perfect model to deal with this.
Optimists and Perma-bulls
It's interesting how Stockdale puts it when he says that the "optimists" didn't make it. This sort of reminds me of a perma-bull.
But first, we must define a perma-bull. Is Warren Buffett a perma-bull? He is always talking up the future of America, and he is always almost fully invested (he may build up cash every now and then).
Buffett is not a perma-bull in the sense that he is always bullish the stock market (because he is not). He is more of a market agnostic. Bull markets will happen, bear markets will happen, but nobody will really know when, so don't try to figure it out. That's his stance, so it's not really perma-bullish at all.
Perma-bulls are people who always think the markets will go up. You see this in wire-house investment strategists etc.
So I distinguish perma-bulls from market agnostics.
Optimistic Investors That Fail
So Buffett is a long term optimist, confident that the U.S. will do well over the longer term, just like Stockdale was confident he will get out of his situation. But like Stockdale, Buffett just doesn't know when things will happen, just that things will work out over time.
Like Stockdale's colleagues that didn't make it, though, there are a lot of optimistic investors that don't make it. For example, people who were excited about stocks in the late 1990's were optimistic that stocks will continue to earn 15-20%/year just as it had in the recent past. This was sort of the "we'll be home by Christmas" optimism in Stockdale's story. Maybe it doesn't seem so bad as the market hasn't done much since then, but most likely, these people piled in at the top and then puked out their positions in the following bear market (and most likely didn't get back in).
If you buy stocks and expect them to go up 10% every single year, you will be disappointed when it doesn't and will probably end up dumping stocks at the wrong time. If you don't think a bear market will come any time soon, then you will be disappointed when one does come and you will probably sell out at the worst possible moment.
Some became value investors after seeing the 1999/2000 internet bubble/crash. And then they got hit in the financial crisis and swore off stocks altogether. They were optimistic that they wouldn't lose money as they would stay away from bubble stocks. When value stocks got hit hard in the crisis, they were disappointed and left. This too, is sort of like the "we'll be home for Christmas" optimism.
Or how about optimists that believe that their stock will keep beating earnings estimates; once the streak of 'beats' ends, they get disappointed and dump their stock (regardless of whether it is a good long term investment).
Or optimists that believe their stock or fund will beat the market every single year, year in and year out. A recent study showed that very few people can do that but I found it interesting because it is sort of irrelevant; you don't need to beat the market every single year in every single time period to beat the market. Most good funds have periods of outperformance and periods of underperformance. Insisting on outperformance at all times is what leads to trouble.
I can go on and on (and so can most of you).
Most of us who have been in the business have seen this sort of thing happen over and over. And it's amazing because it perfectly fits the Stockdale Paradox model.
Conclusion
So let's take a look, again, at the Stockdale Paradox as defined in Collin's book:
Retain faith that you will prevail in the end, reglardless of the difficulties.AND at the same time
Confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.
For retaining faith, we have to believe that whatever happens (recessions, near depressions) that we in this country (including the government) will (eventually) do the right thing. In severe recessions, they will step in. Corporations will cut costs and do what needs to be done to survive. Just as we figured out how to make more food (after Malthus' prediction), whatever problem we face, we will figure it out.
We also have to retain faith that value investing does work over time. As Joel Greenblatt says, no investment strategy or approach works all the time. There will be times when value investing doesn't seem to work (and many value investors will abandon the idea). If you buy something for less than it is actually worth, then over time you will make money. We value investors can't lose that faith.
This is not fair to Admiral Stockdale, but think of bear markets as sort of the market torturing investors (losing money can't fairly be compared to physical torture). This is what markets do. If we hope that there won't be any more bear markets, or that we will be smart enough to get out before the next one, that is sort of like "home by Christmas" optimism and we would inevitably die of heartbreak.
