Like yesterday, Kramer started off talking about how department stores have dropped the ball and how that doesn't make any sense.
He offered the advantages that department stores have compared to specialty stores. Below is a table that shows the advantages in two of the major expenses of a store. Department stores spend a lot more on marketing, and have rent expense that is way lower than specialty stores.
How can this be? How can department stores lose so much market share with such advantages? Over the years, see how department stores have lost share:
Johnson showed this chart yesterday, but a little more detail shows that of the 69% that is not department store sales, 37% of the total is actually specialty stores (the rest are discount retailers etc...).
So what happened? Johnson yesterday spoke of the deterioration of the 6 P's. Kramer says that department stores have basically lost sight of their customers.
As an example, he spoke of his experience as a supplier to department stores. One unnamed department store had unproductive brands sitting on their shelves and Kramer asked for that space for his better products. The department store said no. Why? Because those unproductive products made as much money as the other products due to vendor kickbacks.
Kramer said this is one of the problems that department stores have. They think financially that the unselling product is OK to have in the stores as they get paid back by the vendor. But what happens to the customer? If you have stuff they don't want on the shelf and you are OK with that because someone else is paying you, that's not a good long term strategy. Eventually, the customer will stop coming. (They did say that JCP does not have this problem).
As Johnson said yesterday, Kramer said they will simplify pricing and stop confusing customers.
Kramer pointed out that corporate overhead at JCP is a bit higher than Kohl's (KSS), a competitor, and they feel they can bring JCP's cost down to KSS's level.
By bringing SGA level down to KSS's would be worth $1 billion in savings. That's pretty big for a company with $18 billion in sales (that would lift operating margins by more than 5%).
They can't do this overnight, so they will cut costs over time towards 2015.
Where will the savings come from? They have identified areas of savings in the following areas:
(I know I am getting a little trigger happy with the Windows 7 "Snip" function. I have to admit, it's pretty convenient!).
They can also save labor costs by increasing labor productivity. The amount of labor hours to operate a store at JCP is much higher than at KSS, and they think they can get it down to KSS's level. If they do, that can amount to a lot of costs saved:
Advertising cost is also a bit higher than the competition and they think they can get that down too. They believe that events, brand/store announcements and things like that will offer a lot of free publicity over the next few years as they develop their stores.
Also, corporate headquarters is inefficient with too many layers of management that they plan to cut down:
Span of control is basically how many people directly report per manager. Increasing this, (or cutting layers) can save $90 million.
Another example of cost saving Kramer mentioned was the number of cashier stations in the store. There are currently a lot of them where they are not utilized at all except during peak times (he said they are "rarely used") and yet the stations are still staffed even during off peak hours. By shutting these stations, they can save $100 million.
So with these and other initiatives, they expect $900 million in savings over the next two years. They plan on getting SGA down to less than 30% of sales by 2013. They will spend $800 million in capex in 2012 for the transformation which includes the development of the first 10 shops in their stores, investments in store infrastructure, IT and inventory for changes in the store (movable walls etc...).
How Do They Lift Sales?
Shops in the stores and partnerships with brands should increase traffic and help sales. When Sephora was put into JCP stores, it lifted sales +2% in the rest of the store.
By December 2015, they will have 100 shops in their stores and the transformation will be complete. At this point they expect:
- 40%+ gross margins
- 27% SGA to sales
- 13% contribution margin (operating margin)
Also, there is potential for more JCP stores. The number of stores in the top 50 MSA's (market service area) are as follows:
This implies that there is potential for 300 more stores.
JCP going forward will only provide annual guidance, and sales will be announced only quarterly instead of monthly.
EPS guidance for 2012 is for $2.16 (before pension expense). They expect to meet or exceed their 2011 EPS.
There was a question from an analyst with respect to some suppliers/vendors saying that orders from JCP are down 10-15% for the spring season. The question was whether JCP is expecting sales to be down. Johnson said that this is not the case; that their inventory turns are a bit lower than the competition and they are just managing their inventories down a little bit to get the turnover up to more competitive levels.
JCP does not expect sales to slump during the transition, nor do they expect the new pricing scheme to reduce sales.
I noticed that the press were writing things like "every day low price" or that JCP will deeply discount to get sales up, but that's not really the case. As you can see from the slide in the JCP presentation yesterday, they expect to sell things at the same price they have been selling it at; just not with sales and promotions so much. The impact on revenues should be zero (all else equal).
(for reference, the sales-to-inventory ratio at KSS was 5.6x compared to 4.8x at JCP on a last four quarters average basis).
Back of the Napkin
So those are my notes from the presentation. I just jotted down what interested me, so it's by no means a summary of the whole presentation. Anyone interested should listen to the presentation. It is very interesting and there is something to learn from a well-prepared presentation.
So what does this all mean to the investor? What we know is that they want to get to a 13% operating margin by 2015 by maintaining gross margins above 40% and getting SGA down to 27%. If we assume sales to be flat (just to be conservative), what kind of EPS are we looking at?
- debt remains unchanged so interest expense remains the same at around $231 million/year
- total shares outstanding is 213 million, which is the average shares outstanding for the quarter ended October 29, 2011 (since the transformation is planned to be completely self-funded, this is not unreasonable)
- Sales of $17.8 billion, which is the sales for the most recent full year
- 40% tax rate (which is a little higher than the 37-39% range it's been recently)
So, with sales of $17.8 billion and a 13% operating margin, that's operating income of $2.3 billion, less $231 million in interest expense is $2.1 billion pretax income, and with a 40% tax rate that's a net income of $1.26 billion. With 213 million shares outstanding, that's an EPS of $5.92/share.
At the current $41.00 or so per share, JCP is trading at 6.9x what JCP could earn in 2015. If JCP succeeds in this transformation, then a p/e ratio of 15x is not at all unreasonable, as even mediocre retailers have traded at that multiple in normal times.
So that would put the possible value of JCP in 2015 at $89.00/share. From the current $41/share, that's more than a double and over the four years through the end of 2015, that's an annualized return of 21%/year. Not bad at all. You can see why Ackman might be excited.
If they really do well, then maybe they get a 20x multiple. That would take the stock price to $120/share by the end of 2015. But for JCP to get a 20x multiple, they would really have to do well.
Retailers tend to be cheap now, so even if we assume that JCP will only get a 10x multiple on their $5.92/share EPS in 2015, that's still close to a 10%/year return through 2015.
The great thing about this analysis is that it assumes zero sales growth when in fact, if the transformation is successful, it is more likely that sales will grow over time.
Here are the trailing and forward p/e ratios of some similar retailers now (pulled from Yahoo Finance):
Macy's 12.4x 10.5x
Saks 24.0x 19.4x
Kohl's 10.9x 9.4xNordstrom 15.7x 13.6x
Dillard's 6.1x 9.5x
I think Saks p/e ratio is high due to their depressed earnings so it may not be an indication. Morningstar's industry average p/e ratio, however, is around 15x.
Of course, the other big question is whether JCP can actually achieve a 13% operating margin by 2015. Retail is a very competitive business. What does a 13% operating margin look like versus the competition?
I just grabbed some operating margin figures from Morningstar and created the below table so we can see how the 13% operating margin compares to other department stores and over time. Is it doable?
I don't see anyone achieving 13% operating margins in the department store sector even in the good times of 2006-2007. Peak margins even at Kohl's seem to be around 11.7%. So JCP is aiming for something even better than what Kohl's did during the best of times. But then even Macy's achieved a 10.8% margin in 2006, so maybe it is doable.
The 13% margin does look aggressive given the table above, but these guys are really overhauling JCP in a major way so it may happen. If it does, there seems to be plenty of upside in the stock price, even after the close to 20% rally on the presentation.
I don't own any JCP at the moment; these things are very hard to evaluate. Who knows if they will succeed or not?
But it seems like they do have an active shareholder that has a strong interest in seeing JCP succeed (including Vornado's Roth who would love to see JCP do well as it would enhance the value of Vornado's Manhattan Mall). It seems like they do have a solid, experienced retail team that is energetic and motivated to succeed.
An interesting point is that since this makeover doesn't include anything drastic on the balance sheet, like huge debt increase or massive financial engineering, like repurchasing shares (or leveraged recap) at the expense of capex and store maintenance, there might be little risk involved.
If the makeover fails, what happens? JCP goes back to being what it was; a mediocre department store? This may not be such a disaster on the downside.
JCP stock has traded in the range of $20-40 post crisis (excluding the 2009 panic low) before Johnson came on board. So let's say that if this doesn't work out, JCP goes back to $30/share.
That's a 25% drop; not a complete disaster. And on the upside, you have a potential double or more. So that's $11 downside risk ($41 down to $30) and $48/share upside potential ($41 up to $89/share); not at all a bad risk/return profile if you think there is at least a 50/50 chance of the makeover succeeding (in fact, it can be interesting even if there is a less than 50/50 chance of a successful makeover).
Not bad at all.
As usual, this is not a stock recommendation. I don't have any more insight than anyone else on whether this 'transformation' will succeed or not, which will be the primary driver of the stock price going forward. I may buy and sell this stock in the future according to how things develop.